The Jalopy Journal

**The37Kid** · 07-18-2009, 12:04 PM

Do a HAMB search to hear this LSR baby run for the first time since 1906.

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 12:08 PM

more Comet

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 12:10 PM

I always chuckle when I think how people dressed up in those days to hang around oil-slinging monstrosities like this!

kurtis · 07-18-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The37Kid

That is the Premier that is in the INDY 500 collection today, car may have started the drilled lightening hole trend.

I've got a book that has a 1904 30hp Clement-Bayard light car with lightning holes all throughout the chassis. It won it's class with an average speed of 48.5mph. What year is the Premier?

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 12:18 PM

holy shit I have to get something done today besides this...I'll be back!

kurtis · 07-18-2009, 01:15 PM

All Targa Florio..

MotoVintage · 07-18-2009, 01:43 PM

my young apprentice here at work was looking at some of these pics, he made the coment they couldn't have been going very fast, I disagreed thinking these guys were running in the area of 100mph, any one know the speeds of the early racers?

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MotoVintage

my young apprentice here at work was looking at some of these pics, he made the coment they couldn't have been going very fast, I disagreed thinking these guys were running in the area of 100mph, any one know the speeds of the early racers?

That's Henry Ford!

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 02:09 PM

The MB crowd...

kurtis · 07-18-2009, 02:15 PM

All the competitors from the 1904 Vanderbuilt Cup.

Now it's time for some sleep. It's 5:00AM here. Back later tonight.

kurtis · 07-18-2009, 02:17 PM

last one's..

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 02:21 PM

more MB...

kurtis · 07-18-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MotoVintage

my young apprentice here at work was looking at some of these pics, he made the coment they couldn't have been going very fast, I disagreed thinking these guys were running in the area of 100mph, any one know the speeds of the early racers?

11.5MPH was the average speed at the first "race" in 1894 and it's probably safe to say they rose by about 10MPH each year. Don't forget also some of these cars had engines up to 650cu/in and more but some only revved to about 1800RPM. The size of the bore was everything to these guys back then.

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MotoVintage

my young apprentice here at work was looking at some of these pics, he made the coment they couldn't have been going very fast, I disagreed thinking these guys were running in the area of 100mph, any one know the speeds of the early racers?

In fact that Henry Ford in his 1901 "Sweepstakes" racer, 26 HP, which won the 10 mile feature at an average speed of 45mph. Defeating the 70 HP Winton, and securing prestige and funds to restart his company, and thus Ford Motor Co.

**The37Kid** · 07-18-2009, 03:09 PM

The Darracq that this V8 was in turned 109.65 in 1905.

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 03:57 PM

The first pic is Savannah, rest Indy.

Special Note! The last pic is of Indy being graded pre-brickyard to the best of my knowledge...that's the way the pic was marked anyway. Fascinating.

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 04:04 PM

A terrific photo of the Harry C Stutz (HCS) Team at the 1923 Indianapolis race, a gorgeous pair of immaculately prepared Miller 122's. Milton (left) won, Wilcox lost his clutch on lap 60.

At this time, the 122 was producing 235 HP at 5800 rpm.

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 04:14 PM

Another gorgeous shot of DePalma and the ill-fated but beautiful Packard 122. All were underdeveloped and failed by mid race.

Mac the Yankee · 07-18-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by miller91

Another gorgeous shot of DePalma and the ill-fated but beautiful Packard 122. All were underdeveloped and failed by mid race.

This MAY sound sacreligous, but I wonder what it would look like with fenders, lights, and a swept windshield

!

**The37Kid** · 07-18-2009, 04:39 PM

Something like this, meanwhile back at the races.

07-18-2009, 12:04 PM	#21
The37Kid Alliance Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Posts: 15,723	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Do a HAMB search to hear this LSR baby run for the first time since 1906.

07-18-2009, 12:08 PM	#22
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 more Comet Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:29 PM.

07-18-2009, 12:10 PM	#23
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 I always chuckle when I think how people dressed up in those days to hang around oil-slinging monstrosities like this!

07-18-2009, 12:18 PM	#25
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 holy shit I have to get something done today besides this...I'll be back!

07-18-2009, 01:15 PM	#26
kurtis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,871	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 All Targa Florio.. Attached Thumbnails

07-18-2009, 01:43 PM	#27
MotoVintage Alliance Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 124	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 my young apprentice here at work was looking at some of these pics, he made the coment they couldn't have been going very fast, I disagreed thinking these guys were running in the area of 100mph, any one know the speeds of the early racers? __________________ Christopher

07-18-2009, 02:09 PM	#29
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 The MB crowd... Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:29 PM.

07-18-2009, 02:15 PM	#30
kurtis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,871	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 All the competitors from the 1904 Vanderbuilt Cup. Now it's time for some sleep. It's 5:00AM here. Back later tonight. Attached Thumbnails

07-18-2009, 02:17 PM	#31
kurtis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,871	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 last one's.. Attached Thumbnails

07-18-2009, 02:21 PM	#32
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 more MB... Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:28 PM.

07-18-2009, 03:09 PM	#35
The37Kid Alliance Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Posts: 15,723	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 The Darracq that this V8 was in turned 109.65 in 1905.

07-18-2009, 03:57 PM	#36
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 The first pic is Savannah, rest Indy. Special Note! The last pic is of Indy being graded pre-brickyard to the best of my knowledge...that's the way the pic was marked anyway. Fascinating. Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:28 PM.

07-18-2009, 04:04 PM	#37
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 A terrific photo of the Harry C Stutz (HCS) Team at the 1923 Indianapolis race, a gorgeous pair of immaculately prepared Miller 122's. Milton (left) won, Wilcox lost his clutch on lap 60. At this time, the 122 was producing 235 HP at 5800 rpm. Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:28 PM.

07-18-2009, 04:14 PM	#38
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Another gorgeous shot of DePalma and the ill-fated but beautiful Packard 122. All were underdeveloped and failed by mid race.

07-18-2009, 04:39 PM	#40
The37Kid Alliance Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Posts: 15,723	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Something like this, meanwhile back at the races.

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