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miller91 · 07-18-2009, 04:52 PM

The other two cars in the failed Packard Indy attempt in 1923. Beautiful cars nonetheless!

miller91 · 07-18-2009, 06:15 PM

Just prewar WWll...note Gasoline Alley Fire pic #15

jimdillon · 07-18-2009, 08:44 PM

Great thread Kurtis and all that have contributed. Hopefully will add some stuff as time goes on-right now buried with work-glad I didn't see this earlier or I may have played hookey.-Jim

**The37Kid** · 07-18-2009, 09:17 PM

This photo is a good example of something I've been thinking about for years. It is Herb Ardinger in the Bowes Seal Fast car at INDY in 1936. The car also ran in the 1935, 1934,1933, and 1931 INDY 500 the exists today and is restored. Sure would be neat to compile a list of all the cars that ran INDY 1930-39, 1940-49 etc. they were the ones with long lifespans, and many still exist today.

miller91 · 07-19-2009, 07:32 AM

The Great Jimmy Murphy in the 3rd place finishing 1923 Durant-Miller 122 at Indianapolis. He was the previous year's winner in a hybrid Duesenberg with a Miller 183 installed.

miller91 · 07-19-2009, 07:56 AM

1910 Vanderbilt Cup, October 1 in Long Island.

If you've read this far, and you haven't seen this website: http://www.rumbledrome.com/10stats.html, then GO!

Note the pits, when they REALLY were pits!

miller91 · 07-19-2009, 08:42 AM

Some early Maserati...

miller91 · 07-19-2009, 09:09 AM

While we are at this can SOMEONE please tell me more???

Maxwell Boxer 12.

flyin-t · 07-19-2009, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MotoVintage

my young apprentice here at work was looking at some of these pics, he made the coment they couldn't have been going very fast, I disagreed thinking these guys were running in the area of 100mph, any one know the speeds of the early racers?

That's in 1901, the man on the running board with Henry is Spider Huff.

A little more than a decade later with Kulick, Fords factory driver, at the wheel of this T below they set a new worlds record on ice of 107.78 mph. A factory prepped, flathead model T powered car running 107 and change, amazing. The car was named 999-II after Henrys second racer the 999 car.

1912 on Lake St. Clair.

SirPercy · 07-19-2009, 10:00 AM

Thanks kurtis for bringing up this thread and above all the magnificent photos !
My favourite: the 1904 Gobron Brillie land speed record car (100 mph in 1904) which was used in the 1906 French Grand Prix at Dieppe and again in 1908.
Four cylinder engine with eight pistons (opposed), running on alcohol fuel (110 bhp) and a chassis made out of tubing. Louis Rigolly driving...

kurtis · 07-19-2009, 10:21 AM

Yes, the Gobron Brillie was by all reports just a road car. Amazing speed for that time. I'd love to see some pics with it's full body.

kurtis · 07-19-2009, 10:48 AM

French Grand Prix...

kurtis · 07-19-2009, 11:22 AM

and some more...

kurtis · 07-19-2009, 11:47 AM

More pics from the 1906 French Grand Prix, but have a closer look.

miller91 · 07-19-2009, 12:01 PM

Although I would never use it in the design of a car personally, and this particular fairing to contain tires never caught on, it is uniquely Peugeot and is quite dramatic!

A study I did, (like many, using old modeler's profiles as guides) of the Peugeot.

**The37Kid** · 07-19-2009, 12:46 PM

SirPercy, Welcome to the HAMB! This Gobron was in the 1907 G.P driven by Rigolly

miller91 · 07-19-2009, 01:23 PM

Isle of Mann TT 1914 and 1922

miller91 · 07-19-2009, 01:24 PM

1907 Targa FIAT 28/40

miller91 · 07-19-2009, 01:26 PM

Paris Velodrome Sizaire Naudin 1909

SirPercy · 07-19-2009, 04:10 PM

Quote:
"Yes, the Gobron Brillie was by all reports just a road car. Amazing speed for that time.
I'd love to see some pics with it's full body. "
I found a bad scan of a very bad photo and a small drawing of the attempt at streamlining on the 1904 Gobron Brillie. On most photos they appear to be racing without a hood.

PS: That Maxwell boxer is stunning

PS: Walter Christie: one of the greatest automotive engineers ever ? (His tanks appear to be just as excentric as his cars !)
PSS: The boy doing a handstand...okay, but why would you want to hang a dead fish on an angling rod in front of a racecar ????

07-18-2009, 04:52 PM	#41
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 The other two cars in the failed Packard Indy attempt in 1923. Beautiful cars nonetheless! Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:28 PM.

07-18-2009, 06:15 PM	#42
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Just prewar WWll...note Gasoline Alley Fire pic #15 Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:28 PM.

07-18-2009, 08:44 PM	#43
jimdillon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highland, Michigan Posts: 1,136	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Great thread Kurtis and all that have contributed. Hopefully will add some stuff as time goes on-right now buried with work-glad I didn't see this earlier or I may have played hookey.-Jim

07-18-2009, 09:17 PM	#44
The37Kid Alliance Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Posts: 15,687	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 This photo is a good example of something I've been thinking about for years. It is Herb Ardinger in the Bowes Seal Fast car at INDY in 1936. The car also ran in the 1935, 1934,1933, and 1931 INDY 500 the exists today and is restored. Sure would be neat to compile a list of all the cars that ran INDY 1930-39, 1940-49 etc. they were the ones with long lifespans, and many still exist today.

07-19-2009, 07:32 AM	#45
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 The Great Jimmy Murphy in the 3rd place finishing 1923 Durant-Miller 122 at Indianapolis. He was the previous year's winner in a hybrid Duesenberg with a Miller 183 installed. Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:27 PM.

07-19-2009, 07:56 AM	#46
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 1910 Vanderbilt Cup, October 1 in Long Island. If you've read this far, and you haven't seen this website: http://www.rumbledrome.com/10stats.html, then GO! Note the pits, when they REALLY were pits!

07-19-2009, 08:42 AM	#47
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Some early Maserati... Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:27 PM.

07-19-2009, 09:09 AM	#48
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 While we are at this can SOMEONE please tell me more??? Maxwell Boxer 12. Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:27 PM.

07-19-2009, 10:00 AM	#50
SirPercy FNG Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: ==== Posts: 27	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Thanks kurtis for bringing up this thread and above all the magnificent photos ! My favourite: the 1904 Gobron Brillie land speed record car (100 mph in 1904) which was used in the 1906 French Grand Prix at Dieppe and again in 1908. Four cylinder engine with eight pistons (opposed), running on alcohol fuel (110 bhp) and a chassis made out of tubing. Louis Rigolly driving... Attached Thumbnails

07-19-2009, 10:21 AM	#51
kurtis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,871	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Yes, the Gobron Brillie was by all reports just a road car. Amazing speed for that time. I'd love to see some pics with it's full body. Attached Thumbnails

07-19-2009, 10:48 AM	#52
kurtis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,871	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 French Grand Prix... Attached Thumbnails

07-19-2009, 11:22 AM	#53
kurtis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,871	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 and some more... Attached Thumbnails

07-19-2009, 11:47 AM	#54
kurtis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,871	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 More pics from the 1906 French Grand Prix, but have a closer look. Attached Thumbnails

07-19-2009, 12:01 PM	#55
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Although I would never use it in the design of a car personally, and this particular fairing to contain tires never caught on, it is uniquely Peugeot and is quite dramatic! A study I did, (like many, using old modeler's profiles as guides) of the Peugeot. Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:27 PM.

07-19-2009, 12:46 PM	#56
The37Kid Alliance Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Posts: 15,687	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 SirPercy, Welcome to the HAMB! This Gobron was in the 1907 G.P driven by Rigolly Attached Thumbnails

07-19-2009, 01:23 PM	#57
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Isle of Mann TT 1914 and 1922 Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:27 PM.

07-19-2009, 01:24 PM	#58
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 1907 Targa FIAT 28/40 Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:27 PM.

07-19-2009, 01:26 PM	#59
miller91 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: not at hamb anymore Posts: 522	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Paris Velodrome Sizaire Naudin 1909 Last edited by miller91; 12-31-2011 at 07:27 PM.

07-19-2009, 04:10 PM	#60
SirPercy FNG Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: ==== Posts: 27	Re: Auto racing 1894-1944 Quote: "Yes, the Gobron Brillie was by all reports just a road car. Amazing speed for that time. I'd love to see some pics with it's full body. " I found a bad scan of a very bad photo and a small drawing of the attempt at streamlining on the 1904 Gobron Brillie. On most photos they appear to be racing without a hood. PS: That Maxwell boxer is stunning PS: Walter Christie: one of the greatest automotive engineers ever ? (His tanks appear to be just as excentric as his cars !) PSS: The boy doing a handstand...okay, but why would you want to hang a dead fish on an angling rod in front of a racecar ???? Attached Thumbnails

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