Barn Job #18, HA/GR, '12 build thread

[Old6rodder]

HA/GR #18 '12 build thread.

Link to '11 build thread.
Link to '10 build thread.
Link to '09 build thread.
Link to '07/'08 build thread.

Name: "Barn Job #18"
Status: Racing
Team: "Geezerspeed"



Based on this .........


Engine: '60 225" Chrysler "slant" six
Carbs: three HIF6 SUs
Gearbox: '62 Valiant 3 sp.
Rear end: '67 Ford 8", 4.62>1
Wheelbase: 125"
ET: 12.941
MPH: 105.50

Records:
'07 First mid engine HA/GR.
'07 First running HA/GR, left coast.
'08 Winner, 1st HA/GR (unofficial) "meet", left coast.
'08 Quickest & fastest HA/GR, left coast.
'09 2nd place, ANRA I & II Open Wheel class.
'09 1st place, ANRA II HA/GR sub meet.
'09 1st 12 sec HA/GR pass, left coast.
'10 Most HA/GR parts breakage in one season, any coast.
'11 1st place, ANRA I, II, & III HA/GR sub meets.

[Old6rodder]

Howdy Kiddies,

Well, all the Parade hooplah's finally wound down, so I guess it's time to get started on the new year. I've been having some fun in the garage the last few weeks, getting the Barn Job ready for the '12 season. I'm planning a lot more strip time this year, including finally getting to Mokan.

This winter's work ........

Moved front cage hoop forward to clear helmet better.
(my LAST major concession to NHRA's eternally changing rules, if it isn't enough now, fuck'em)
Relocated two cross members for better engine access.
Moved radiator aft for better breathing & weight transfer.
Rewired car completely & properly, replaced all my temporary stuff.
Managed to get 25 more lbs out of the car in the process.
Managed to get 5 more lbs out of the driver.
Replaced stock iron flywheel with a steel one.
Re-finished dash.

I'll get some pictures into the album (and a couple teasers here) next week.

Got a better rear end, but likely won't have it in by the ANRA Opener.

Also have a surprise later in the season. But y'all'll just have to wait.

Looking forward to April, and especially to Eagle Field in May.
Anyone heard any more on Dragfest?
The last I had was for May 6th at Bako, but I haven't been able to find any more on it.

[Joe Hamby]

Hi Dick you are making a lot of progress, I can't wait to see you and Bob Huberty (2-B) The MOKAN Champ, line up at MOKAN, maybe there will be a few more cars there. If Ryan would let the Automatic cars run HA/GR-A you might see a lot more cars.

[Old6rodder]

Howdy Joe,

I'll line up against anyone ..... with a grin. You know that.
For me it'll always be the fun of doing it the old ways.
It'll be a privilege to have my clock cleaned by 2b, I really like that car.

Also, I haven't forgot the cars & info you've sent me (just been lazing around, recuperating from the Parade ..... yeah, sure). I've been catching up to my customers, and my house & yard work (that wind thing was brutal here). I'll get'em all updated & added shortly, thanks for doing the legwork on'em.

[bobw]

Sure good to see you working on the Barn Job. Especially cool that you are heading for MoKan. I think Rocky is bringing the HA/GR along with the Evil Twin. I'll be there with my HA/GRa. I don't mind running the regular dragster class, if that's the way is works out. The main thing is to meet you guys.
My 2008 Rule Book shows the roll cage requirement that you are now making. So it is not that new of a rule. I didn't get a 2012 Rule Book so I hope there's no surprises in it.

Looking forward to the pics, now that you have recovered from float building.

[Old28]

Well Dick it is nice to see you back on the board again, that float stuff is about doing you in.

I hope Danny V has that front bar in the right place on my ride or I will have to modify the front of my helmet to make it work. He has really helped me out during my recovery. Still hope to make the opener.

I will send you an updated picture when I get it home in a few weeks.

[Old6rodder]

Bob, the 10 second cage rules've been there for quite awhile, they're in the '07 book that I built to then. At that time 12+ second cars only needed a roll bar, and I built in good faith, choosing 1 3/4" tube over the 1 1/2" required (as recommended in the original formulation of the class), and building a six point (rather than the required four point) design. Neither did we need arm restraints, full fire suits, nor several other things they've since saddled us with.

This class was originally targeted over 11.99 seconds (via the physics of the tire rules) specifically to avoid these expensive overkills, to keep it affordable and fun, the things folks like me want.
NHRA has elected to completely ignore the fact of our tires and force us into the expenditures, professionalization, and subsequent demoralization, of their 10 second rules. Hell, even those among us that choose to miss the concept of the early '50s style of building & racing a garage car (and spend too much money, and use too modern techniques) are only buying one more second, running mid 11s. In raw physics that's still impossibly distant from 9.99 (the actual break called "10") with our engine, carb, fuel, and tire limitations.

I intend to enjoy the class the way it was meant, and they want to turn it into yet another "newstalgia" clone tailored for their TV bullshit version of what the sport was. You can readily see the vintage parts on my car, from the '53 fighter seat to the '31 front end. they well represent the early '50s style build I carried throughout the car. Even my choice of the odd slant engine (two valve, four main, over square, flat piston, pushrod, inline six) well represents the era. My entire car, engine work & all, was done by me in my own garage except for the valve seats, cam, and milling (and had I those machines? ...... well, take a guess). No custom pistons, rods, valves, heads, etc, nothing that wouldn't be at an early '50s strip.

Honestly, the single biggest reason I've knuckled under this far is to try to help Butch & ANRA. He's a great guy, he's done his best to help us, and he deserves far better than what they're doing to him.

I fully expect'em to continue their bullshit, with mandatory chassis certs, etc, added 'til they leave nothing of our intended class. 'Til we're just one more of their pathetically boring pastel plastic injection molded rolling jokes of what really was.
No thank you.

Sorry for the rant, Bob, it's against the wind, not you.
Still, it stands, I've indeed reached my limit.

[Old6rodder]

Originally Posted by Old28

Well Dick it is nice to see you back on the board again, that float stuff is about doing you in.

I hope Danny V has that front bar in the right place on my ride or I will have to modify the front of my helmet to make it work. He has really helped me out during my recovery. Still hope to make the opener.

I will send you an updated picture when I get it home in a few weeks.

Now, now, you know modifying a bucket's yet one more "NHRA no-no".

It's good to be back, Sir. Thank you.
I've made changes in my relationship with the float, good ones.
Ones that favor my other hobbies, firstly drag racing.

I'm looking forward to seeing you at Bako this year, and your car with you when ready (always good to see more nice work).
I hope the work I've done will be acceptable too.

[64 DODGE 440]

Originally Posted by Old6rodder

Now, now, you know modifying a bucket's yet one more "NHRA no-no".

It's good to be back, Sir. Thank you.
I've made changes in my relationship with the float, good ones.
Ones favoring my other hobbies, firstly drag racing.

I'm looking forward to seeing you at Bako this year, and your car with you when ready (always good to see more nice work).
I hope the work I've done will be acceptable too.

Modified buckets? Hell if it was up to me I'd bring back open face helmets and push starts.

[Old6rodder]

Originally Posted by 64 DODGE 440

Modified buckets? Hell if it was up to me I'd bring back open face helmets and push starts.

Sounds good to me too.

[bobw]

Dick, I totally agree with you that the rules are overkill for our cars. NHRA has neither the flexibility nor desire to make these kinds of judgements. Could be partially caused by their insurance carriers. The strictness on slow, open cars is out of proportion to the risks, in my opinion. I guess there just aren't enough cars of this ilk to warrant consideration.

I feel rediculous in a full Class 5 suit, with neck colar, arm restraints, full face helmet, etc. and be the slowest car at Test and Tune.

We need more Eagle Fields!

[Old28]

Dick, We have missed your passion for the class

Paint my skull bucket real nice and all they want to see is that you got 2005 or 2010 tag.

I will, I will, I hope!!! be at the opener with the car. May be me in the seat or a better shoe for a one race gig. Even if the car is not ready, it will be there for show & tell.

[bobw]

Dick, some time ago you posted how you set up your distributor. I have been searching for an hour with no luck. I believe it was a manual advance/retard that you controlled from the cockpit. Are you willing to share this speed secret?

[Joe Hamby]

That sounds like aircraft trickory to me.

[Old6rodder]

Originally Posted by bobw

Dick, some time ago you posted how you set up your distributor. I have been searching for an hour with no luck. I believe it was a manual advance/retard that you controlled from the cockpit. Are you willing to share this speed secret?

Originally Posted by Joe Hamby

That sounds like aircraft trickory to me.

Not a "speed secret", just a convenience.

I run a locked distributor, but had a lever that could move it back a few degrees in order to start & idle easier when cold. On my HIF SUs I bypassed the "enrichment" (choke) circuits in order to have'em function as earlier pre-smog HS carbs did, this left me with a difficult cold start.

Unforunately it tended to work itself around slightly under vibration, so I eventually dropped it and put in a stronger battery rather than fight it. Now I just crank'er 'til she catches when cold.

[Old6rodder]

Originally Posted by bobw

Dick, I totally agree with you that the rules are overkill for our cars. NHRA has neither the flexibility nor desire to make these kinds of judgements. Could be partially caused by their insurance carriers. The strictness on slow, open cars is out of proportion to the risks, in my opinion. I guess there just aren't enough cars of this ilk to warrant consideration.

I feel rediculous in a full Class 5 suit, with neck colar, arm restraints, full face helmet, etc. and be the slowest car at Test and Tune.

We need more Eagle Fields!

Once in a while I do hop on a soapbox, don't I?
Just ignore me at those times. My wife'll tell you how, she has it DOWN.

Ridiculous? Yeah, and I've even had a couple slingshot herders whine that all they think we are is "wannabe dragster drivers". I haven't a clue what to say to so deep a drag racing history ignorance by an actual nostalgia participant, all I could do was stare at'em in wonder.

Originally Posted by Old28

Dick, We have missed your passion for the class

Paint my skull bucket real nice and all they want to see is that you got 2005 or 2010 tag.

I will, I will, I hope!!! be at the opener with the car. May be me in the seat or a better shoe for a one race gig. Even if the car is not ready, it will be there for show & tell.

Excellent, Sir.


Well, with the New'Dale now closed, I guess I'll have to look into Barona. I've heard both good and bad about it, but with Fontucky's back-pedalling we have even fewer choices down here.

Anyone at all heard ANYTHING about Dragfest?

[bongzilla]

I'll be there with my HA/GRa. I don't mind running the regular dragster class, if that's the way is works out. The main thing is to meet you guys.

[mudflap261]

Originally Posted by bongzilla

I'll be there with my HA/GRa. I don't mind running the regular dragster class, if that's the way is works out. The main thing is to meet you guys.

be where mokan or eagle field,how about some pics .if mokan you must pre register

[Old6rodder]

Likely Mokan.
Minnesota, Kentucky, and Ohio each sport a London, with Conneticut having a New London as well.
All of'em are far closer to Mokan than Eagle Field.

Also, Mokan's the only place it would be a consideration.
Eagle Field's strictly grudge matching, we run whoever we want.

And yes, pics please.

[bobw]

I do believe Mr. Bongzilla lifted my statement posted earlier in this thread (post #5). As I have the only HA/GRa in the country (I made up the designation).

If I'm wrong, he can bring his bong, his zilla and his HA/GRa to MoKan and I'll race him.