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Projects A/V8 speedster ‘Sat Nite Spcl’

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Oldtmtech, Jul 28, 2022.

  1. My journey started in October of 2019 when I took the leap and with cash in hand purchased a 1928 Ford Model A frame and a trailer load of parts. When I got home I immediately called a friend to see if he would be interested in buying the 9” rear and late model Lincoln front end. I already knew this was going to be a traditional build and I wouldn’t be needing those parts. This was the foundation for the’34 flathead that I already had
    When people would ask what I was doing I just said I was building a kit car without the kit. So then I bought the Bishop/Tardel book ,joined the H.A.M.B. and got to work.
    I always knew that a model A body would be out of my reach and besides body work is not something I want to do anyway I like the mechanical parts and like them to be seen, besides speedsters are cool and the whole purpose of this build is just to have something to cruise the backroads
    I don’t have a time frame for completion because I want this to be fun .After 2 years I was able to have a roller but everything is just tacked together it will all have to come apart. All the major pieces are in place and I think will work together
    Here are the particulars
    Model A frame
    1934 flathead and transmission
    Tardel K member (modified)
    ‘33-‘34 banjo rear 4.11 with hydraulic brakes
    Model A front spindles hydraulic brakes
    2 tooth model A steering box
    Dropped front axle of unknown manufacture
    19” rims
    Speedway medium arch reverse eye rear spring
    Speedway front spring

    This will now be my journal for any future work and I may talk about things I have already been working on ,all though most of what I have done has been taken right out of the pages of the H.A.M.B.
    Now for the main feature presentation I have compiled some of my pictures into a short video Enjoy
    Todd
     
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  2. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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  3. dwollam
    Joined: Oct 22, 2012
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    Nice work! Just one suggestion, turn your phone sideways for pics and videos so ya get a full screen.

    Dave
     
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  4. I used the ‘play memory video’ feature on iPhone and it did some automatic cropping but alot of the photos came out really good it got rid of annoying background and I didn’t go back and edit
    For just a simple introductory video it was very quick and easy
    If you would like to see additional pictures of any particular parts let me know I’ve got plenty
    Always like good feedback and suggestions
    And will try to answer any questions about how or why I did something and my thought process
    Thanks
    Todd
     
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  5. banjorear
    Joined: Jul 30, 2004
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    Dang, when they say a picture is worth a thousand words, this is a prime example. Well done. Curious how this is going to end up when completed.
     
  6. This is what I have been working on recently. Back in the spring I attended my first true swap meet, had a great time, picked up a T steering wheel. A speedster just looks good with a T wheel but how to mount it on a A tapered shaft, T is straight shaft, and maintain the timing and throttle levers plus the appearance and the T wheel has reverse dish
    So I bought a rough A wheel for the center hub and sat down at the drafting table (see my thread on drafting tables on the Antiquated, don’t know how to insert links any help is appreciated)
    More to come 5502137F-92E3-49D8-BB78-94D2F139A9F8.jpeg F60894F3-C130-4BB3-AE4F-F034E158058C.jpeg
     
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  7. Atwater Mike
    Joined: May 31, 2002
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    Great start on Speedster, particularly like the steering wheel adaptation!
    Where did you get the ball-and-socket wishbone ends??? (another cool Speedster feature!)
    Tardel cross member was a good fit, you mentioned 'narrowing' it? Guess the frame is narrowed?
     
  8. Mr48chev
    Joined: Dec 28, 2007
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    That was just flat fun and interesting to watch. For once, music you turn up a bit rather than cut the sound too. That's got me wanting to go see what kind of A frame my neighbor has in his stash that I might talk him out of.
     
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  9. 6E951DCA-1A7E-4F7E-9BBA-B99FE75E41C8.jpeg Thanks
    The ball and sockets are model A I just machined plates to accept the sockets and threaded the balls for studs that thread into standard splint bone bungs
    The k member was just modified for a better bolt in installation
    I’m actually doing everything I can not to modify the frame
    Maybe someday I like to go back to unsplit bones
    Todd 2D9FDE9F-7340-4F31-B8A0-74979496419C.jpeg B56DDD59-2B84-439B-91BE-B50D3BE1AA63.jpeg EF101DED-056A-427B-AEB7-66E80DD379F5.jpeg
     
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  10. Fore steering wheel adapter made a washer welded to hub then drilled and tapped it for 1/4-28 08F92A58-9FBB-416D-A38B-0B1D1F9198F9.jpeg 682367E0-E7D7-4E22-A8C5-B739BF47038D.jpeg 11AEB2A7-23E1-4B90-9A7D-DD5013C10760.jpeg Now I need to space the T wheel out so machined a spacer with a skirt to blend in with the A column

    5BEAF549-7DC0-48A8-8B57-CF2F546F5921.jpeg 1AE63DAF-9F1F-4E4D-BFE9-8E7942C9B420.jpeg 44B3201F-8396-406B-A82D-970E460EEE43.jpeg 004B30E5-B9AD-4E33-8570-B63DC8EB3C5E.jpeg Then milled 4 holes in T wheel 761509AA-9F7C-4716-BD46-B04AF0D57933.jpeg A44A0474-9FB0-4E26-8D26-C3FCE4714A80.jpeg 343B2959-F585-4E0B-A541-AA6C95D00E64.jpeg 112E0C8B-A00B-43B9-A661-44ADA66019C7.jpeg C2C3ED2F-20D3-4531-AAC6-875FEB1802C3.jpeg Now I am wrapping
     
  11. continentaljohn
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  12. elgringo71
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    I’m enjoying your build and your attention to detail.
     
  13. B918720B-237A-4B62-B957-2C4DFAF65065.jpeg https://jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/1923-dodge-brass-era-speedster-build.751048/

    https://jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/%E2%80%98shoe-horn%E2%80%99-single-seater-speedster.1257714/



    https://jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/shade-tree-model-a-speedster-kind-of-thing.1086809/

    https://jalopyjournal.com/forum/thr...rd-“lil’-sue”-30s-two-seat-speedster.1101450/
    I’m still wrapping my T steering wheel the twine I got is really small and it takes awhile
    Just want to give a shout out to some of the other speedsters being built
    Feel free to let me know of any I have missed and any pictures of speedsters you may have
    My next post I will show how I modified my model A steering box to clear V8 cylinder head
     
  14. Here is my modification to use model A steering with flathead v8
    Started by turning down mounting flange (also machined for needle bearing and lip seal)
    Used a 1” plate ,bored hole for newly turned down sector housing,
    Counter bored 3 cap screws to replace the 3 studs holding the sector housing
    Relieved area for FE2C113A-47AC-46BF-B2FD-4BBB53BAD797.jpeg housing adjusting nut
    To adjust sector gear use 3 short bolts adjust eccentric remove bolts install plate and cap screws 5D3FFD51-3B01-4E5D-8A62-A2121C22F632.jpeg 907882BF-657A-489D-96BC-A1946B7EEC00.jpeg Steering box is then mounted to frame with 4 bolts threaded into 1” plate 1A99BF68-02CA-4892-89DB-764A9CB22467.jpeg it sets nicely into the recess of the stock exhaust manifold looks like it was made to be there B32A7C52-C17A-4025-A6D1-56A4D3CC7ED0.jpeg FF4B602E-9EA2-44B7-ACE4-C8D734AF6693.jpeg 740ACBFE-DB9E-4858-9DE2-133266DD0F33.jpeg Shortened pitman arm to maintain proper steering geometry with my split bones for no bump steer
    didn’t lose any steering radius because looks like I would have had clearance problems with longer pitman arm 899A9B5D-7C68-426A-A35F-95D0B1437372.jpeg 633A883F-5F97-4C55-936D-32A94A2A7787.jpeg F95EFFD9-92FC-401E-B18C-0BC5BEE188E6.jpeg A4821465-6E37-47AD-982E-421A7DB5114A.jpeg 319C297E-FFFC-45FF-B915-D2F06A32588B.jpeg DB0F5AC1-7DCC-494C-A7DF-0BADFF62B6C5.jpeg 861CAC73-EBD6-440A-9BDB-8B15A94CAE74.jpeg 7C336382-2BCA-4867-8526-9C805F9FC0A4.jpeg Disadvantages
    Can’t remove steering box with motor installed
    Can’t remove cylinder head with motor installed (can retorque )
    Have to remove motor to adjust steering box
    Advantages
    Get to use my model A steering box and stock wiring
    Upgraded box with needle bearing and lip seal with easier steering from shortened pitman arm
    Future updates
    If worried about frame flex I can thread holes in 1”plate top and bottom to secure top and bottom frame rails around cut out area
    Sector shaft is worn but have extras so might try to weld one up and turn down
    This was something I looked at very early in my build because it was a major road block for me but I think this is going to work very well
    Todd
     
  15. Model A steering wheel 3E226F29-1812-4081-8042-CE1353F9A86C.jpeg 5856082F-B03B-412D-8996-85B6BA15EEF5.jpeg My new model T steering wheel 05CB0E87-42E0-489A-9160-E99305117D7D.jpeg FA8082C1-390E-4A16-8726-D0CA8236BFF3.jpeg A6532654-ED7B-4B6E-A2CB-513474B17B98.jpeg 651DCD95-3FB8-4921-A211-5B2B1C559BC6.jpeg Seem to have a brass /bronze theme going on here 451F4CF5-A6FF-4DC0-84F7-46F4CAAC4367.jpeg 6DB17667-5E1D-4B89-B64C-716484EEAE9A.jpeg 9A234908-37CD-4AFD-BFEA-AD1A53547145.jpeg
     
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  16. Well done!! Thanks for the detailed pictures. Will certainly help others with their modifications.
     
  17. 50 CHEVY 3100
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  18. Thanks everyone
    This post is to help anyone using’33-‘34 motor mounts
    The first thing to do on a build is to set the motor in place so after consulting THE BOOK I had the motor mounts set in place using the 1/4” hole in the frame for the hood hold down
    Set the motor in place with the rear mount ,stood back to take a look ,
    WTF
    The motor had at least a 10* tilt
    My first set back
    02267848-937E-4D22-A89B-452346493FBD.jpeg 35239169-2B1F-40A0-BFD7-44CAF873889A.jpeg After some research found out they changed the motor mount height for ‘35 ADEEA552-A3F7-4064-BEDD-CE1D23E059F7.jpeg ended up turning the mounts upside down cut the ears down and welded to bottom of frame
    With a little hammer work the biscuits fit inside the mount 66613D23-925A-4C81-9B0F-7338D0096237.jpeg 2BF86A27-F9DF-4693-A1E2-C5782CF76C7F.jpeg 12153E53-878C-4190-A90A-07490419294F.jpeg I think I still need to box the frame at the motor mount but I’ve got 1* up in front to allow for the 1* rake that I will probably end up having in the car
    Till next time
    Todd
     
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  19. my local steam and gas show was this weekend here is a sampling
    Enjoy
     
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  20. With a little bit of reworking I was able to use a model A throttle assembly and linkages 8224616E-00B1-43C8-9DC1-1E5EA30B81DE.jpeg turned the lever 180* ABF0ADDC-080C-4B6B-8534-5338E448CC24.jpeg 3C3817DB-36FA-47AF-9A0D-75DE302CEE67.jpeg F5A8EEA6-9160-4E05-AE38-57B8F036A2F6.jpeg And retained the hand throttle A1771971-10A4-490A-A557-EFD22EC73282.jpeg C8D199DD-C196-4A49-98E2-C467ED36A77E.jpeg F9B80B5B-7FCA-47D9-AD8B-BB24DDD8A2CF.jpeg Made my own ‘spoon’ pedal
     
  21. IMG_2886.jpeg IMG_2901.jpeg IMG_2925.jpeg IMG_3239.jpeg IMG_3243.jpeg Long overdue time for a update
    I’ve taken a break from the forum for a while
    Been concentrating my energy on moving shop equipment and getting my new space workable
    The speedster project is still always in my mind
     
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  22. Got the engine out of the chassis
    Decided to go ahead and make a run in stand IMG_3265.jpeg IMG_3688.jpeg IMG_3690.jpeg
     
  23. IMG_3353.jpeg IMG_3356.jpeg Hand filling the lifters with a diamond file in the lathe trying to get the radius
     
  24. IMG_3364.jpeg IMG_3366.jpeg Tried the method of using oxiclean to etch aluminum
    Really like it
    Matches the bolts I’ve been blueing with birch wood gun blue
     
  25. Took some time this summer to get some inspiration
    HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone hope to be back soon with more updates really want to get this’34 engine assembled and fired up for’24 IMG_3215.jpeg IMG_3216.jpeg IMG_3217.jpeg IMG_3226.jpeg IMG_3227.jpeg IMG_3448.jpeg IMG_3447.jpeg IMG_3445.jpeg IMG_3453.jpeg IMG_3454.jpeg IMG_3449.jpeg
     
  26. NoSurf
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    Looking great!
     
  27. Hung my shingle for my new shop IMG_3725.jpeg
     
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